whats is with all the Group suicides Arranged on the internet
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How do you define stupid? If one goes by the dictionarys definition (pointless/worthless/foolish/careless) then I would argue that there is nothing stupid about suicide. For the suicidal act is a way to escape or avoid painful emotional problems that are the result of individual and social problems. Suicide is a choice during circumstances in which people can see no alternative.
I have seen books on methods of suicide up for sale - though it may not be something you would come across in your local WHSmith. Suicide is perfectly legal (correct me if i'm wrong) to start with, they have every right to end their life.
The reason that people come together to do it (IMO) is like when Girls go to the toilet together - you know they planning some evil scheme that's why they confer in secret. No sorry that's not exact - It's like doing something for the first time and you want a bit of encouragement, so you don't feel as alone, or as scared. You need Someone to hold your hand. The internet is just a method of communication and a place to meet.
People of today are too materialistic and too attached to the physiacal being; too concerned with goods and possesions; too concerned with money and power; and too wraped up in their false ideals. I am intrigued that people are actually turning to face the inevitable themselves, and willing to explore mystery, and welcoming that which we humans understand as Death, or rather Don't understand in any way whatsoever.
I have seen books on methods of suicide up for sale - though it may not be something you would come across in your local WHSmith. Suicide is perfectly legal (correct me if i'm wrong) to start with, they have every right to end their life.
The reason that people come together to do it (IMO) is like when Girls go to the toilet together - you know they planning some evil scheme that's why they confer in secret. No sorry that's not exact - It's like doing something for the first time and you want a bit of encouragement, so you don't feel as alone, or as scared. You need Someone to hold your hand. The internet is just a method of communication and a place to meet.
People of today are too materialistic and too attached to the physiacal being; too concerned with goods and possesions; too concerned with money and power; and too wraped up in their false ideals. I am intrigued that people are actually turning to face the inevitable themselves, and willing to explore mystery, and welcoming that which we humans understand as Death, or rather Don't understand in any way whatsoever.
Explain to me what suicide and materialism have to do with each other? u talked a little about materialism, then went on about the difference between living and death - life inevitably has materials in it - but that isnt materialism.
your position is somewhat confusing - because u are 'intrigued' by suicide u think it is a justifiable thing? people are allowed to commit suicide, as in its not illigal - pretty much because its unenforcable - in the UK Roy Jenkins in the 60s repelled our suicide law not because of its obviously good logic - but because people are driven to it in desparation, we should help them, not only for them - but for their family and friends and so on....u act as if its a victimless act, and logical and even attractive in circumctances. Do u know someone who has commited suicide? do u have any idea the feelings u feel for that person after it- its fucking heartbreaking...and i can tell u this for free...they dont do it out of some metaphysical curiosity to find out whats after this life. They do it together because they find they feel the same way, and they come to the same conclusion...this is something that started in Japan and i think its pretty much stayed in the Asian territories. Its not something that is stupid, but it aint logical, and its in most cases a very fucking stupid response to a problem!
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MX!
your position is somewhat confusing - because u are 'intrigued' by suicide u think it is a justifiable thing? people are allowed to commit suicide, as in its not illigal - pretty much because its unenforcable - in the UK Roy Jenkins in the 60s repelled our suicide law not because of its obviously good logic - but because people are driven to it in desparation, we should help them, not only for them - but for their family and friends and so on....u act as if its a victimless act, and logical and even attractive in circumctances. Do u know someone who has commited suicide? do u have any idea the feelings u feel for that person after it- its fucking heartbreaking...and i can tell u this for free...they dont do it out of some metaphysical curiosity to find out whats after this life. They do it together because they find they feel the same way, and they come to the same conclusion...this is something that started in Japan and i think its pretty much stayed in the Asian territories. Its not something that is stupid, but it aint logical, and its in most cases a very fucking stupid response to a problem!
peace
MX!
There theater plays about it...you should go see 1..I should too sounds interesting lol not to commit suicide cuz suicide is stupid in my eyes..why kill urself if ya can kill others...
BUt newayz...I dunno that's crazy..I think websites like that should get locked because the wrong person at the wrong time could visit it and make the wrong decision..suicide is not an option...
BUt newayz...I dunno that's crazy..I think websites like that should get locked because the wrong person at the wrong time could visit it and make the wrong decision..suicide is not an option...
Really Really 
. They have sex too! Those people were willing to take their life in their own hands literally.
Life can get to be so mundane that even the meaning of living seems pointless, that what we have 'ain't living'. Who's to say that these people who do this aren't smart?
I think it's just a case of how open minded you are and what ideals you have. There are people who would rather have All or Nothing at all. I think these people fall under this catagory.
To those people who say 'that's sick', 'it's crazy' - take a look around you, there are a lot more things under heaven far more crazier than the will to die. Death is normal, life is crazy (IMO).
Suicide / Materialism, coming from a spiritual point of view that death is not the end of life but the first step to our liberation. Our birth into our earthly bodies is but being in the 'true prison of the soul'. People place too much importance on worldly concerns, their physical being, and clinging too it in an effort to postpone death out of fear and misunderstanding.
. They have sex too! Those people were willing to take their life in their own hands literally. Life can get to be so mundane that even the meaning of living seems pointless, that what we have 'ain't living'. Who's to say that these people who do this aren't smart?
I think it's just a case of how open minded you are and what ideals you have. There are people who would rather have All or Nothing at all. I think these people fall under this catagory.
To those people who say 'that's sick', 'it's crazy' - take a look around you, there are a lot more things under heaven far more crazier than the will to die. Death is normal, life is crazy (IMO).
Suicide / Materialism, coming from a spiritual point of view that death is not the end of life but the first step to our liberation. Our birth into our earthly bodies is but being in the 'true prison of the soul'. People place too much importance on worldly concerns, their physical being, and clinging too it in an effort to postpone death out of fear and misunderstanding.
look mate- u act like it only effects one person - as if it is victimless...u say look around you - how would u feel if your best mate just upped and topped himself saying life was broing, or unlivable - what would that make u feel about yourself...let alone the greif that would cause people!
it seems to me you havent a clue what drives anyone to suicide...and by the way your argument could be applied to drug addicts...heroin or crack for instance: - life is boring, so they take drugs - that there choice, i agree. But i dont agree with them robbing little old ladies and vunrable people to feed there addiction. Your argument is one sided and takes into account one person, what about the people it effects!
Its not a case of open mindedness, its a case of action and reaction - grow up for fuck sake!
peace
MX!
it seems to me you havent a clue what drives anyone to suicide...and by the way your argument could be applied to drug addicts...heroin or crack for instance: - life is boring, so they take drugs - that there choice, i agree. But i dont agree with them robbing little old ladies and vunrable people to feed there addiction. Your argument is one sided and takes into account one person, what about the people it effects!
Its not a case of open mindedness, its a case of action and reaction - grow up for fuck sake!
peace
MX!
look, there is a metaphysical curiosity with everyone to find out what will happen after this life...but like you said...we all die - your point makes little sense and is not the reason people commit suicide! your point about curiosity is fine and good - but it in no way goes to explain the resons for suicide - its an escape not a journy, its to end something, not to begin! and still your not talking about materialism in the traditional sense, but i see what your getting at!
peace
MX!
peace
MX!
Mate? Lol I don't have any mates. Too much evil in the world for that possibility. And yes I do know someone close who has topped it and I know people who have tried it personally including myself. I agree with you that everything should be done to help these people. I never mentioned drugs, am older than you 
and have made my points, thankyou, none with a trace of malice.
and have made my points, thankyou, none with a trace of malice.
Yeshua said:
Mate? Lol I don't have any mates. Too much evil in the world for that possibility. And yes I do know someone close who has topped it and I know people who have tried it personally including myself. I agree with you that everything should be done to help these people. I never mentioned drugs, am older than you and have made my points, thankyou, none with a trace of malice.
and have made my points, thankyou, none with a trace of malice.
if u knew someone who had topped himself u would appreiciate my points a fuck load more - and my point about drugs is that your argument could be applied to it...the spirtiual side(being high, looking for something else) - my point what about the means to that end-the stealing and so on, the misery it causes family and friends and so on....are they justifiable? they seem so under your ultra-liberal position.
U still havent answered my points...do u think its a victimless act? do u think that person should have that power at his disposal simply for the sake of his feelings? does his right to feel like that give him the right to (after killing himself)make others feel similar?
Im not arguing against the act of suicide but rather its effects on others...if u looked around yourself the world is bigger than u....and thats the problem with people who commit suicide mostly, they seem to think there that fucking important that they have the right to kill themselves and make others feel awfull, just as bad with just as much dispare - except we understand what it feels like to make others feel like that so we carry on.
Why do u want to kill yourself? why havent u got any mates? and u think suicide is going to solve those problems? fuck dont deal with it...run from the problem...let the people u leave behind deal with them all for u - u probeblly believe its there fault!
(i dont often speak to people in these terms, but after dealing with this shit, which it is mate, shit i dislike it when people try to defend it - if people want to commit suicide fine, we cant stop them...but dont try and defend it as if its a allround logical answer to a problem, cause it isnt, it solves the suicide victims problems - as were everyone elses problems have just began. People will do i accept that, and they do have their reasons...but dont sit there and act like its a good idea for fuck sake!)
peace
MX!
I'm 23. You said grow up 
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I'm sorry but it sounds like you doubt my experiences in this subject.
It's true I never knew anyone who killed themselves in relation to the effects of drugs.
I'm not trying to justify anything. I just feel that people have certain ideals that they expect everyone else to live up to. Like they come into a world that has been planned out for them and are not given the option to think freely. And some people won't fit in with that.
There is not no victims, that's not where I'm reaching. Yes they should have the power.
That was a long time ago I'm over it. Many suicide attempts are a cry for help.
CalcuoCuchicheo doesn't seem to think it's that bad either, it aint just me.
I don't know your knowledge/experience on this subject for everyone has different views. I only attempt to come from one angle, that's my own.
.I'm sorry but it sounds like you doubt my experiences in this subject.
It's true I never knew anyone who killed themselves in relation to the effects of drugs.
I'm not trying to justify anything. I just feel that people have certain ideals that they expect everyone else to live up to. Like they come into a world that has been planned out for them and are not given the option to think freely. And some people won't fit in with that.
There is not no victims, that's not where I'm reaching. Yes they should have the power.
That was a long time ago I'm over it. Many suicide attempts are a cry for help.
CalcuoCuchicheo doesn't seem to think it's that bad either, it aint just me.
I don't know your knowledge/experience on this subject for everyone has different views. I only attempt to come from one angle, that's my own.
A boy grows up in a gang infested neigboughood, gets kicked out of school for being violent, with no psychiatrist available to him he grows up angry, he gets harassed by cops and has drugs and gang initiations offerd to him, he refuses, he impregnates a girl at a young age and has to find work, but no one will give him a job, he sells drugs to put food on the table, hes girl doesnt want her child to grow up in that enviroment but he says how else will he make money, she leaves him and now wants child support, he grows up not knowing his son becuz the mother doesnt think hes fit to be a father, his son grows up goes into his teens but falls into the danger zone, he is murderd in a gang hit, the father now has to live everyday knowing he was never alloud to raise his child, he also knew his child hated him for never being there, he then grows into an old man and dies.
think about the 1000s of people that go through this, think about the KIDS in africa, 10 years old raising there kid brother/sister, if they can live through this and not commit suicide it just goes to show how strong some people are and how so very weak those that choose to commit suicide over little things are.
think about the 1000s of people that go through this, think about the KIDS in africa, 10 years old raising there kid brother/sister, if they can live through this and not commit suicide it just goes to show how strong some people are and how so very weak those that choose to commit suicide over little things are.
Yeshua maybe im having a go a bit strong - but mate suicide is an awful thing, and to normalize the idea and project the view that it is a visable option for people is wrong and dangerous. It should always be a last resort, and not something people should think about often, very very few situations justify suicide - since it is almost always the wrong choice. U seem to have a romantic idea of what suicide is-'start of a new journy' and all that, all these things hold true after death anyway, suicide or not and have little bearing on suicide - for which case they should never be given as a justification/reason for suicide.
And yes people use suicide as a cry for help, but its much easier and less painfull for all involoved if they just went to the doctor and told them they felt like this - the same action would be taken (that is law, at least in the UK).
I just find what your arguing strange, and it seems you are looking at it from a very one-sided position. People will commit suicide wether we like it or not, and to some extent that is fine - but it has to be in extreem situations, not bad situations, otherwise it is unjustfiable!
peace
MX!
And yes people use suicide as a cry for help, but its much easier and less painfull for all involoved if they just went to the doctor and told them they felt like this - the same action would be taken (that is law, at least in the UK).
I just find what your arguing strange, and it seems you are looking at it from a very one-sided position. People will commit suicide wether we like it or not, and to some extent that is fine - but it has to be in extreem situations, not bad situations, otherwise it is unjustfiable!
peace
MX!