first of all i am not trying to throw insults at anybody, nor am i trying to make you or anyone sound stupid, what you said was true and i didnt try to negate it, dont get over excited and if you notice your the one who's been throwing insults Duke not me, so i am not the one who's sounding idiotic. I am not saying i know everything about workouts, i am a basketball player who works out, but i've been doing it for a very long time and managed to gain a sufficient amount of knowledge about it, i've been around this board for a long time now, and anyone who's read any of my posts knows that i wont attack anyone, disrespect anyone if they didnt do it first, and that i try to participate in intellectual discussions as much as possible. as for this matter, my opinions and statements were educated judgements, 470 pounds is almost 5 45 plates on each side of the barbell, which sounds highly unlikely to me, go dig out whatever peices of information you want about professional power lifters, it still doesn't compare to normal people like us.