Have you not taken your medication? I'm not prepared to sit here and talk/argue/debate with any of the 'trojans' that dwell in the cesspit of streethop forums.
You sound like you should be in the Honda forums, where paper numbers mean everything. Debating about which car has got more HP got old a real long time ago, people don't buy cars based on a HP number, only forum drivers do that.
most people at this level of car are marque loyal anyway, not because of the 'name', but the car attributes associated with it...they don't have time to bicker like pre-school children about whether supermans harder than spiderman.
I'm not asking you to argue or debate. You can say all you want about numbers or thinking I belong in the Honda forums (even though I am a mod of this car forum as well as several others), but go back and look at any of my posts from this thread... I haven't even mentioned a SINGLE number (unless the "63" in "C63" counts), so don't even attempt to save face by trying to throw all sorts of childish disses at me without even truly addressing the post you're replying to with the exception of saying you don't want to "talk/argue/debate" in a MESSAGE FORUM... who would've thought... though most people who say that are usually people who don't want to admit that they're wrong. And if you don't want to "bicker like pre-school children" by talking about information provided by the manufacturers and car publications, then why don't you share your personal experiences with the cars? Oh wait, you don't have any. Truth be told, neither have I (since they're not out in the U.S.), but the fact of the matter is that you, I and everyone else on this board is limited to trusting the journalistic reviews provided by the likes of Motor Trend, Automobile, Road & Track, etc... whether they're biased toward one brand or not. And those same magazines all seem to feel that BMW has a lot to worry about since this new AMG is no joke, based on real information, like their familiarity with the new engine as well as the awesome suspension setup trickled down from the CLK63 AMG Black Series, which lapped the Nurburgring in 7 minutes 52 seconds which is incredible for any car, especially an "auto with sh1t handling," seeing how it also was fitted with the same 7G-Tronic gearbox and suspension layout and engine (though with a few extra ponies) that will be in the C63. Whoops...
It sounds like you just like to base your opinions on word associations... which is fine, because it's your opinion and I'm not shitting on you for it. But the "M3 = fastest" and "Mercedes = heavy and slow" mentalities are fading away fast. Yes, they were true at one point, and I can say so myself, seeing how I have driven both the E46 M3 and C55 AMG around corners and up to speeds more than double the speed limit. But welcome to the future, Mercedes isn't playing around anymore.
