Saaphir said:
If 2pac didn't release them,there is a reason,grand pa... 
your blind and thoughtless loyalty to a man you never met is clouding every cognition you express in this thread.
Melle Mel just dissed your god on hot97
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hit em up WAS released and pac wanted it to be bigger than it was. you know nothing. don't try to flex on someone who does.
your blind and thoughtless loyalty to a man you never met is clouding every cognition you express in this thread.
your blind and thoughtless loyalty to a man you never met is clouding every cognition you express in this thread.
i agree with melly mel. 2pac did bring that 'fuck everybody' im a thug' image into hiphop and commercialized the shit out of it and now everyone goin around bitin off the same image. so i think 2pac had alot to do with the death of hip hop, which wasnt about money or how much of a thug you are. what? 2pac didnt rap about making money or being rich??
saaphir your only basing your info on singles son, you cant compare the singles that they play on the radio with other more real songs like hold ya head. apples and oranges son, apples and oranges...
saaphir your only basing your info on singles son, you cant compare the singles that they play on the radio with other more real songs like hold ya head. apples and oranges son, apples and oranges...
Funny... think back to this Pac interview wher ehe said this:
"Melle Mel and them... them true pioneers... if they dissed me, I'd have dissed them. But they came to the studio. Everytime I see them niggas, I bow down respectfully; not bow down to them as men or as performers, but as elders."
"And for him to write The Message, it did inspire me, and it did do something for me. He got a pass. Unless he cross me... and he hasn't. So we're trying to get him a deal."
Sorry, it's just the first thing I thought of when I read this thread.
"Melle Mel and them... them true pioneers... if they dissed me, I'd have dissed them. But they came to the studio. Everytime I see them niggas, I bow down respectfully; not bow down to them as men or as performers, but as elders."
"And for him to write The Message, it did inspire me, and it did do something for me. He got a pass. Unless he cross me... and he hasn't. So we're trying to get him a deal."
Sorry, it's just the first thing I thought of when I read this thread.
you sound almost brainwashed.
first of all, no matter how clean your shirt is, one dirty spot on it is one dirty spot on it, and the dirty spot stands out more than the cleanliness of the rest of the shirt. if you don't understand my comparison, i'll take the time to ellaborate it for you. tupac did record a lot of positive songs, but that doesn't make up for, or hide the fact that he also recorded negative songs. the troubled process tupac's mind went through from being another guy in the world to hiphop's most notorious rapper, the battles between his old self/his new self, his good side/his bad side, and his ultimate death which was a sub-sequent result of what he became, is what makes him interesting. dante has a very good point in saying this. putting a gloriole on his head barely makes him an angel.
first of all, no matter how clean your shirt is, one dirty spot on it is one dirty spot on it, and the dirty spot stands out more than the cleanliness of the rest of the shirt. if you don't understand my comparison, i'll take the time to ellaborate it for you. tupac did record a lot of positive songs, but that doesn't make up for, or hide the fact that he also recorded negative songs. the troubled process tupac's mind went through from being another guy in the world to hiphop's most notorious rapper, the battles between his old self/his new self, his good side/his bad side, and his ultimate death which was a sub-sequent result of what he became, is what makes him interesting. dante has a very good point in saying this. putting a gloriole on his head barely makes him an angel.
Even people who have been listening to hip hop after 85 would disagree. That's like saying "Fuck Henry Ford, he invented the car, but what has he done lately?" And Mel has a point, although I disagree that Pac isn't one of the greatest because he was negative. But a lot of you seem to think Pac was some kind of angel who could do no wrong, he was a thug. For every song like Keep Ya Head Up, there's an Open Fire, a Hit Em Up, a Fuck The World.
And Mel has a point, although I disagree that Pac isn't one of the greatest because he was negative. But a lot of you seem to think Pac was some kind of angel who could do no wrong, he was a thug. For every song like Keep Ya Head Up, there's an Open Fire, a Hit Em Up, a Fuck The World.pac is no angel. he did plenty of stupid shit and fought and died over stupid gang shit. i agree with melle mans comment somewhat cause today in hip-hop every commercial rapper only uses pacs thug side on their records instead of his deeper side. so 2pac did contribute to the negativity of todays hip-hop whether he meant to or not cause everybody is wanting to be the thug 2pac instead of the positive 2pac. peace
I think when everyone talking about pacs negative side and tracks like open fire and many others excluding maybe hitemup and other ones directed at bad boy they forget that all those negative tracks are still have deep messages in them. how many people would agree with fuck the police?
so it was HIS struggle with society, world, police, gangz, drugs you name it. I dont think when listenig to pacs negative tracks makes you really negative about something, it just makes you think more and evaluate. Its just shows that todays rappers are really nothing more but showoffs and fools.
so it was HIS struggle with society, world, police, gangz, drugs you name it. I dont think when listenig to pacs negative tracks makes you really negative about something, it just makes you think more and evaluate. Its just shows that todays rappers are really nothing more but showoffs and fools.
fuck him anyway....washed up.Mel's got a point with the negativity side of it. He's also entitled to say that Pac isn't one of the greatest ever as well. It's a single man's opinion, and sorry to say this to all the open buttholes for Makaveli, not everybody likes Pac. I"ve met plenty of people who say he's trash and would rather listen to somebody else in his place (sometimes that other rapper being B.I.G.)
How come everytime an older dude says something "negative" about Pac, everybody in here calls him washed up and says he's just an old dude with no sense of modernization? And then the same people are quick to jump onto a younger kid's perspective and call him a newbie. What the fuck? Is everybody who listens to this music supposed to be on their knees everytime a 2Pac record hits the radio or is played at a party?
Fucking Jedi council in here, damn.
How come everytime an older dude says something "negative" about Pac, everybody in here calls him washed up and says he's just an old dude with no sense of modernization? And then the same people are quick to jump onto a younger kid's perspective and call him a newbie. What the fuck? Is everybody who listens to this music supposed to be on their knees everytime a 2Pac record hits the radio or is played at a party?
Fucking Jedi council in here, damn.