Explosions on the London Underground
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No, thats not quite true, reading the Qur'an, Islam does in fact allow self defence, it does allow muslims to retaliate. 'Fight those who fight against you but do not transgress'. The only part Unislamic about these attacks is the choice of target. The Qur'an does not in any way allow attacks on civilians. That's incorrect jokerman. So labeling these 'terrorists' 'traditional' muslims is not true. A Traditional muslim (like me 
)would retaliate against the aggressors not the innocent. The 'moderates' are still moderates for condemning any kind of attack on civilians. That would make me a traditional and moderate muslim.
)would retaliate against the aggressors not the innocent. The 'moderates' are still moderates for condemning any kind of attack on civilians. That would make me a traditional and moderate muslim.
So labeling these 'terrorists' 'traditional' muslims is not true. A Traditional muslim (like me
)would retaliate against the aggressors not the innocent. The 'moderates' are still moderates for condemning any kind of attack on civilians. That would make me a traditional and moderate muslim.
Western civilization is a threat to the Islamic order. Colonization already destroyed the Islamic empire. (Tangent: The principle of eye for an eye that governed Arab tribal justice dictates that the Western world must be punished for that). That and further interaction with the West are resulting in Western social values and thought polluting Islamic society. From the Western economy which is dependent on usury to persecuting the brown man's intoxicants like opium and marijuana while imposing their liquid liver-killer on us to extreme individualism that ignores the good of society and advocates hedonism - the white man's ways are contrary to what Islam advocates. This is a threat that must be dealt with. Your so-called terrorists are soldiers striving, in their own way, for that cause. The white man's rules can't be followed when dealing with this threat, motherfuckers. The Ummah isn't going to go out like Africa. If innocent people must die (and are they really innocent, if they knowingly pump oil and wear clothes dyed by the blood of exploited Muslim Indonesian hands?), well, they bombed Japan and Germany to pieces to get Hitler, at least today's so-called terrorists are more precise.
Fucking apologists trying to redefine "Real Islam" to exclude what these militants are doing make me sick. If they themselves were real Muslims, they'd know that they have no right to say someone isn't a Muslim (and they probably gaze upon women and listen to melodic music and have savings account, hypocrite bastards).
Hah, Me an apologist? Trying to redefine "Real Islam"? That's comedy. Real Islam is not how you and I or these militants want to make it out to be. Its not that simple, Real Islam is what's written in the Qur'an. and the Qur'an clearly states, aggression against the innocent is an act of aggression on all humanity. Of all the conflicts these early muslims you speak of were involved in, not once did they ever transgress beyond fighting those who illegaly fought against them, on the contrary, they promised and provided safety, freedom and an ideal society for them to live in free of slavery, murder and persecution. Thats Real Islam.
"Who so ever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind," (Al-Mai’dah:32).
Actually i believe its vice versa, Mark Glenn put it best,
"What exists in the Middle East, is a culture that is still devoted to principles concerning basic moral values, values that have not yet surrendered to the corrupting influence of Western media or Western money. Within the last 50 years, every culture has fallen before this corrupting power that seeks to enslave all men in such a way that the individual is reduced to the value of what he produces and what he consumes, and in pursuit of that method, the individuals behind this program have quietly but decisively removed every obstacle in their way, be it religion, culture, morals, tradition, or world view, through the methods of media, academia, and finance; that is, except the culture encapsulated in the Islamic/Arabic World."
edit: Are you Muslim?
"Who so ever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind," (Al-Mai’dah:32).
Actually i believe its vice versa, Mark Glenn put it best,
"What exists in the Middle East, is a culture that is still devoted to principles concerning basic moral values, values that have not yet surrendered to the corrupting influence of Western media or Western money. Within the last 50 years, every culture has fallen before this corrupting power that seeks to enslave all men in such a way that the individual is reduced to the value of what he produces and what he consumes, and in pursuit of that method, the individuals behind this program have quietly but decisively removed every obstacle in their way, be it religion, culture, morals, tradition, or world view, through the methods of media, academia, and finance; that is, except the culture encapsulated in the Islamic/Arabic World."
edit: Are you Muslim?
All you guys quoting the qur'an and i do not know anything about it so cannot comment on your argument - do you live in the western world ? do you live in a peacefull neihbourhood ? do you enjoy freedom of speech ? do you enjoy walking freely in your own country ? now all this bullshit about the west is evil , it is certinaly more civilised than than these arab nations living under a dictators rule . would you want to live in Iraq , Iran , lybia etc . People say that the wests greed is the root of all evil , but i disagree - all the trouble that has occured in the world is caused by religion fullstop its true look at history , executing civilians with knives , bombing civilans , executing woman and children in places of worship it all comes from religion and people who condone this because of what a book says are sick imo - i realy cannot belive that in the wake of the deaths of many people yesterday , some people on this board seem to condone it as retaliation , or fair , or an eye for an eye . let us hope that nothing like yesterday happens in your neighbourhood or to someone you love then maybe if it does you can come back and defend what happened as an act of muslim retaliation which you can defend and rejoice in .
This whole thread is now complete bullshit. Have some fucking respect
The people who died yesterday aren't to blame for what happened in Iraq, they're not soldiers killing people they're innocent people trying to go about their daily life.
It's not our fault that our PM decided to send our troops to Iraq, there was no vote on it. So everyone saying that we're the reason this is happening to us blah blah blah is fucking bullshit because innocent people in Britain don't deserve to die just like innocent people in Iraq don't.
All of you fucking arguing about whos fault it is etc. when things like this happen is just pathetic really.
The people who died yesterday aren't to blame for what happened in Iraq, they're not soldiers killing people they're innocent people trying to go about their daily life.
It's not our fault that our PM decided to send our troops to Iraq, there was no vote on it. So everyone saying that we're the reason this is happening to us blah blah blah is fucking bullshit because innocent people in Britain don't deserve to die just like innocent people in Iraq don't.
All of you fucking arguing about whos fault it is etc. when things like this happen is just pathetic really.
Not true, I think you need to look at history, and I dont mind educating you on this subject. ive posted this in wow
Tell me which of these world empires ever fought against, or conquered another nation, due to religious beliefs?
Egypt - not over religion
Assyria - not over religion
Babylon - not over religion
Persia - not over religion
Greece - not over religion
Rome - not over religion
What about the leaders of the most violent groups? How many of them fought wars to further their own religion?
Egyptian Pharoahs - did not fight over religion
Alexander the Great - did not fight over religion
Roman Caesars - did not fight over religion
Attila the Hun - did not fight over religion
Genghis Khan - did not fight over religion
Napoleon - did not fight over religion
Hitler - did not fight over religion
Mao - did not fight over religion
Stalin - did not fight over religion (in fact, he fought for non-religion)
Saddam Hussein - did not fight over religion (in fact he killed others of his own religion)
Since 1776, America has fought ten major conflicts, and none of these centered on religion.
20th Century Wars
World War I - not over religion
World War II- not over religion
The Cold War - not over religion
The Korean War - not over religion
The Vietnam War - not over religion
The Gulf War - not over religion
2003 Iraq War - not over religion
Yes i do
hey man there are 22 Arab nations not just 3, and some of them just happen to be alot more civilised then where you're from
Edit: Iran aint Arab :thumb:
Anyways im done here, I dont know why i bother with any of this
Tell me which of these world empires ever fought against, or conquered another nation, due to religious beliefs?
Egypt - not over religion
Assyria - not over religion
Babylon - not over religion
Persia - not over religion
Greece - not over religion
Rome - not over religion
What about the leaders of the most violent groups? How many of them fought wars to further their own religion?
Egyptian Pharoahs - did not fight over religion
Alexander the Great - did not fight over religion
Roman Caesars - did not fight over religion
Attila the Hun - did not fight over religion
Genghis Khan - did not fight over religion
Napoleon - did not fight over religion
Hitler - did not fight over religion
Mao - did not fight over religion
Stalin - did not fight over religion (in fact, he fought for non-religion)
Saddam Hussein - did not fight over religion (in fact he killed others of his own religion)
Since 1776, America has fought ten major conflicts, and none of these centered on religion.
20th Century Wars
World War I - not over religion
World War II- not over religion
The Cold War - not over religion
The Korean War - not over religion
The Vietnam War - not over religion
The Gulf War - not over religion
2003 Iraq War - not over religion
Yes i do
hey man there are 22 Arab nations not just 3, and some of them just happen to be alot more civilised then where you're from
Edit: Iran aint Arab :thumb:
Anyways im done here, I dont know why i bother with any of this
Bus 'Suicide Bomber' Spotted By Passengers
Survivors of the bomb blast on London's Tavistock Square have told how they saw a "suicide bomber" on board.The packed Number 30 bus was ripped apart by the explosion at 9.47am.Richard Jones, who was travelling on the bus, said he is convinced he saw a bomber setting a device.
The 61-year-old told The Sun: "I noticed him as he looked nervous. He was continually diving into his bag, rummaging round and looking in it."
Seconds after Mr Jones stepped off the bus, it exploded with the "bomber" still on board.
Terence Mutasa, 27, a staff nurse at University College hospital, told The Sun: "I treated two girls in their 20s who were involved in the bus bomb.
"They were saying some guy came and sat down and that he exploded."
He added: "They said the guy just sat down and the explosion happened. They thought it was a suicide bomber."
Joely Ward, 36, was walking alongside the bus when it exploded. She told the Daily Mirror: "There was a huge bang and a pile of glass flew over my head. As I looked down there was a mound of flesh at my feet.
"I did not even register what it was, and then I saw a hand sticking out of it. It was a torso at my feet. It was blown apart."
A student who was near the explosion and helped medics at the scene said she saw "seven people obviously dead".
"There were so many bodies," another witness said.
Stephanie Riak Akuei told The Sun: "There was a lot of body parts and human debris. There were people trapped on the bus."
"At first there was an eerie quiet and a very profuse smell of blood."
She added: "I think there were at least 20 people on the bus. At least five were beyond recognition and we covered them up with blankets."
Other passengers spoke of people remaining in their seats with limbs and body parts missing.
One man was pulled out with bones sticking out of his flesh and chunks ripped out of his skin.
Another had been blinded, witnesses
Survivors of the bomb blast on London's Tavistock Square have told how they saw a "suicide bomber" on board.The packed Number 30 bus was ripped apart by the explosion at 9.47am.Richard Jones, who was travelling on the bus, said he is convinced he saw a bomber setting a device.
The 61-year-old told The Sun: "I noticed him as he looked nervous. He was continually diving into his bag, rummaging round and looking in it."
Seconds after Mr Jones stepped off the bus, it exploded with the "bomber" still on board.
Terence Mutasa, 27, a staff nurse at University College hospital, told The Sun: "I treated two girls in their 20s who were involved in the bus bomb.
"They were saying some guy came and sat down and that he exploded."
He added: "They said the guy just sat down and the explosion happened. They thought it was a suicide bomber."
Joely Ward, 36, was walking alongside the bus when it exploded. She told the Daily Mirror: "There was a huge bang and a pile of glass flew over my head. As I looked down there was a mound of flesh at my feet.
"I did not even register what it was, and then I saw a hand sticking out of it. It was a torso at my feet. It was blown apart."
A student who was near the explosion and helped medics at the scene said she saw "seven people obviously dead".
"There were so many bodies," another witness said.
Stephanie Riak Akuei told The Sun: "There was a lot of body parts and human debris. There were people trapped on the bus."
"At first there was an eerie quiet and a very profuse smell of blood."
She added: "I think there were at least 20 people on the bus. At least five were beyond recognition and we covered them up with blankets."
Other passengers spoke of people remaining in their seats with limbs and body parts missing.
One man was pulled out with bones sticking out of his flesh and chunks ripped out of his skin.
Another had been blinded, witnesses
More latest news
Security alerts hit London rush hour
LONDON (Reuters) - A series of security alerts hit London's underground network in the morning rush hour on Friday, after four bombs tore through packed underground trains and a bus the day before, killing at least 37 people and wounding 700.
Euston station was evacuated after an unattended bag was found, but reopened shortly afterwards. Police then said Liverpool Street and Charing Cross, both major stations in the capital, were closed because of security fears.
Transport for London (TfL) said buses were running a nearly full service and that much of the underground rail network was also operating.
"There will be some delays and parts of the tube will not be open," a transport spokesman said.
"We are aiming for a near normal service."
The underground rail network, one of the world's largest, usually carries 3 million passengers a day and the Metropolitan Police asked commuters to consider whether it was essential they go to work.
TfL said they expected fewer numbers to use the underground on Friday as people stayed at home ahead of the weekend.
One commuter on the Central Line underground said there were fewer passengers than normal and that people were subdued.
There will be no Circle Line service and no Hammersmith and City Line trains. Service will be restricted also on the District and Metropolitan lines and the Piccadilly Line.
The police asked people to remain vigilant and to report anything suspicious.
CRIME SCENES
The area around Russell Square where the roof of a double-decker bus was ripped off by a bomb remains cordoned off as police continue their forensic investigations.
The three bombed underground trains were also being treated as crime scenes which has meant engineers have been unable to assess the damage.
"We really don't know how long it will take to get all of the network working normally," said a TfL spokeswoman.
If only track has been damaged by the blasts, repairs might take only a few days, but if any tunnels have been weakened structurally they could take much longer.
Although the congestion charge, which drivers coming into central London normally have to pay, was suspended, drivers were being advised to keep out of the centre.
Extra security was expected to cause some delays, but all the city's mainline stations were fully open, except King's Cross where one of the bombs went off on Thursday.
Hundreds of thousands faced long walks home on Thursday while much of London transport closed for security checks.
Security alerts hit London rush hour
LONDON (Reuters) - A series of security alerts hit London's underground network in the morning rush hour on Friday, after four bombs tore through packed underground trains and a bus the day before, killing at least 37 people and wounding 700.
Euston station was evacuated after an unattended bag was found, but reopened shortly afterwards. Police then said Liverpool Street and Charing Cross, both major stations in the capital, were closed because of security fears.
Transport for London (TfL) said buses were running a nearly full service and that much of the underground rail network was also operating.
"There will be some delays and parts of the tube will not be open," a transport spokesman said.
"We are aiming for a near normal service."
The underground rail network, one of the world's largest, usually carries 3 million passengers a day and the Metropolitan Police asked commuters to consider whether it was essential they go to work.
TfL said they expected fewer numbers to use the underground on Friday as people stayed at home ahead of the weekend.
One commuter on the Central Line underground said there were fewer passengers than normal and that people were subdued.
There will be no Circle Line service and no Hammersmith and City Line trains. Service will be restricted also on the District and Metropolitan lines and the Piccadilly Line.
The police asked people to remain vigilant and to report anything suspicious.
CRIME SCENES
The area around Russell Square where the roof of a double-decker bus was ripped off by a bomb remains cordoned off as police continue their forensic investigations.
The three bombed underground trains were also being treated as crime scenes which has meant engineers have been unable to assess the damage.
"We really don't know how long it will take to get all of the network working normally," said a TfL spokeswoman.
If only track has been damaged by the blasts, repairs might take only a few days, but if any tunnels have been weakened structurally they could take much longer.
Although the congestion charge, which drivers coming into central London normally have to pay, was suspended, drivers were being advised to keep out of the centre.
Extra security was expected to cause some delays, but all the city's mainline stations were fully open, except King's Cross where one of the bombs went off on Thursday.
Hundreds of thousands faced long walks home on Thursday while much of London transport closed for security checks.
Transport Advice For London Commuters
Commuters have been advised not to travel into central London today unless absolutely necessary as transport services struggle to return to normal.A series of rush-hour alerts at Euston, Charing Cross and Liverpool Street stations further hampered travel.
A statement from Transport for London said: "We are encouraging our passengers and staff to remain vigilant, to question who owns items that remain unattended and to report any unattended items or suspicious activity to transport staff or the police."
UNDERGROUND
Near normal service available on Bakerloo, Central, East London Line, Jubilee, Northern, Victoria, Waterloo & City.
Restricted service on the District line, some services on the Piccadilly line and bus services to help on the Northern line.
No service on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines.
BUSES
London Buses will attempt to run a full service. Only those routes using the roads around Russell Square, Woburn Place and Aldgate High Street will be diverted.
Regular security checks will continue on each bus and at all bus stations and garages for the foreseeable future.
ROADS
Roads around Russell Square, Woburn Place and Aldgate High Street will be closed into Saturday.
The congestion charge has been suspended for Friday but traffic is expected to be very heavy.
Yesterday, commuters faced long delays to get home and roads in and out of London were gridlocked, particularly major routes such as the M4 and M25.
On the M4, air travellers heading for Heathrow were seen to abandon taxis and hotfoot to the airport along the hard shoulder, dragging their suitcases behind them in order not to miss flights.
SCHOOLS
All Westminster schools will be closed on Friday.
For more information, call Transport for London on 020 7222 1234.
Commuters have been advised not to travel into central London today unless absolutely necessary as transport services struggle to return to normal.A series of rush-hour alerts at Euston, Charing Cross and Liverpool Street stations further hampered travel.
A statement from Transport for London said: "We are encouraging our passengers and staff to remain vigilant, to question who owns items that remain unattended and to report any unattended items or suspicious activity to transport staff or the police."
UNDERGROUND
Near normal service available on Bakerloo, Central, East London Line, Jubilee, Northern, Victoria, Waterloo & City.
Restricted service on the District line, some services on the Piccadilly line and bus services to help on the Northern line.
No service on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines.
BUSES
London Buses will attempt to run a full service. Only those routes using the roads around Russell Square, Woburn Place and Aldgate High Street will be diverted.
Regular security checks will continue on each bus and at all bus stations and garages for the foreseeable future.
ROADS
Roads around Russell Square, Woburn Place and Aldgate High Street will be closed into Saturday.
The congestion charge has been suspended for Friday but traffic is expected to be very heavy.
Yesterday, commuters faced long delays to get home and roads in and out of London were gridlocked, particularly major routes such as the M4 and M25.
On the M4, air travellers heading for Heathrow were seen to abandon taxis and hotfoot to the airport along the hard shoulder, dragging their suitcases behind them in order not to miss flights.
SCHOOLS
All Westminster schools will be closed on Friday.
For more information, call Transport for London on 020 7222 1234.
RFTP said:
I take it as you're refering to me. In which my response is: You don't seem to get it. The war(war on terror as you all know it) has NEVER been about killing the actual terror. I mean, you (the brittish/usa troops) have killed INNOCENT iraqis too. Now, since you have declared a war (why do you else call it WAR on terrorism?) the other side WILL fight back. That means, they will fight YOU who are a resident in that place, they don't give a FUCK cause they can't hand out lists to people and ask them whether they support the war on terrorism or not.
It depends. It seems your goverment have won the popularitys vote for this war on terrorism. Which means, YOU (yes you as a citizen of England) have APPROVED TO BOMB OTHER AND KILL OTHERS in a "war for someone on the otherside of the world whom I care little for" as you like to call it. Now, I know what you're going to respond: "But alot of those people were probably against the war". Well I feel sorry for them, but "sacrifices" has to be made for a "greater" purpose (see how I'm talking like I was Bush? Does it make sense? For most US citizens it did and they supported him unlike most muslims in this world who don't support these kinds of terror).
Good question. Why should little Ali in Iraq be punished for a mans lust for oil?
I like your idea, however that's not how the world works. I don't want it this way either but this is how it is.
If you're refering to the terrorists then I agree
It depends. It seems your goverment have won the popularitys vote for this war on terrorism. Which means, YOU (yes you as a citizen of England) have APPROVED TO BOMB OTHER AND KILL OTHERS in a "war for someone on the otherside of the world whom I care little for" as you like to call it. Now, I know what you're going to respond: "But alot of those people were probably against the war". Well I feel sorry for them, but "sacrifices" has to be made for a "greater" purpose (see how I'm talking like I was Bush? Does it make sense? For most US citizens it did and they supported him unlike most muslims in this world who don't support these kinds of terror).
Good question. Why should little Ali in Iraq be punished for a mans lust for oil?
I like your idea, however that's not how the world works. I don't want it this way either but this is how it is.
If you're refering to the terrorists then I agree
I am not part of the war on terrorism. Or the war on Iraq. I have never supported it and never will.
And to be brutally honest I couldn't give a fuck.
And I'm also done with this thread. Too much ignorance.
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