2pac deathrow music to be auctioned off.
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Honestly, this day and age I doubt the Death Row 2pac material is worth anything remotely close to 107 million (to anyone who isn’t us). Remember you’re talking about a handful of actual never before heard 2pac songs and a few dozen verses, which out of their original context are only useful as chips for verse swaps and features. The only other way they can be used is if an entirely new song is created around them; written by who($) featuring who($) produced by who($) it would like buying the frame for a car and then realizing you still needing the engine, drive train, interior, accessories and everything else.
Any album conceived of those out of place verses featuring artists obliviously far removed from Tupac’s signature style and sound i.e. lil Jon or P.Diddy would end up just like “Loyal to the Game” which for a Tupac album was a failure. No one could pass the stuff off as authentic, so at best you’re looking at a great remix album full of features and pop radio songs. Albums like in modern day hip hop that sell what? A million? Two? And you’ve put a good million + into it… hardly an investment worth the initial 107 million you shelled out.
Lets also not forget that while Suge might not physically possess the material or the rights to have it anymore, he’s still a scary motherfucker and people aren’t likely to do things he’ll receive as a personal slight against him. Shit P-Diddy could probably buy everything but I don’t think it would be worth it knowing every time he goes to accept an award or attend an event Suge’s sitting in the front row ready to pounce. But who knows personally I hope it all gets auctioned off to some company who releases endless collection after collection of deluxe albums (crosses fingers).
Im sure its true... the article is at cnn.com
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/01/knight.deathrow.ap/index.html
But it doesnt say they WILL auction it off, its just the suggestion of i think a lawyer..
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/01/knight.deathrow.ap/index.html
But it doesnt say they WILL auction it off, its just the suggestion of i think a lawyer..
A quick NOTE to everyone who posted to say Deathrow is not worth over $100 Million. It is worth that and much more.
Let me explain. Why do you think The beatles music is worth so much and Micheal Jackson owns it? The reason is the simplest. Everytime someone wants to use that music, they pay MJ. They wanna copy a verse? MJ gets paid. Radio play? MJ gets paid. ( I suspect this applies to Video on MTV too).
No imagine Deathrow.
Doggystyle
Chronic
Makaveli
All Eyes on Me....etc.
Deathrow also sells a number of albums each year. They get PAID....
Dr Dre will buy all the old dre stuff.
Snoop will buy his and so forth.
if the ebatles music is worth $100million+, i reckon to buy into 2pacs music your looking at atleast $20 million+.
Let me explain. Why do you think The beatles music is worth so much and Micheal Jackson owns it? The reason is the simplest. Everytime someone wants to use that music, they pay MJ. They wanna copy a verse? MJ gets paid. Radio play? MJ gets paid. ( I suspect this applies to Video on MTV too).
No imagine Deathrow.
Doggystyle
Chronic
Makaveli
All Eyes on Me....etc.
Deathrow also sells a number of albums each year. They get PAID....
Dr Dre will buy all the old dre stuff.
Snoop will buy his and so forth.
if the ebatles music is worth $100million+, i reckon to buy into 2pacs music your looking at atleast $20 million+.
1) 2pac's music has NOTHING on the Beatles. We all love Pac but come on.
2) The Beatles catalog is worth closer to 400 Million now.
3) Remember you are only talking about DEATH ROW 2pac material. Not 2pac's entire catalog of collective works since MC New York. You're talking about a year and a half worth of material 60% of which has been released.
4) The Beatles catalog is worth so much because almost every fucking song is a hit. There are so many singles and radio songs ergo so much material sought after for licensing. If you think Ford motors or Gillette is going to write gigantic checks to get licensing rights for "Fuckin wit the wrong nigga" to sell their products you are just very wrong.
As far as Dante’s comments about the Snoop and Dre material being valuable I agree, however I just don’t see it being enough to run out and dump all you have into them. I mean, who’s going to buy a re-released Doggystlyle album with a few unreleased tracks? All the white kids who contributed to 90% of the sales of Doggystlye the 1st time around sure as hell aren’t. They don’t even listen to hip-hop anymore. So who would buy it? The hard core west coast rap fans.. you, me, half the people on this board. That’s maybe what a few hundred thousand max. And even then you would have to get permission for both Dre and Snoop to release new stuff. Shit just the Snoop stuff alone would also need Dre’s permission because he produced it. Don’t get me wrong I hope this stuff does get released and it is deff worth a lot to me, but I really don’t see this as a golden opportunity for anyone withstanding sentimental value.
^^ couple points you missed....
chronic and doggystyle sell platinum yearly without marketing gimmicks. they're just essential hip hop albums that are picked up as additional copies or by kids just getting into hip hop and realizing how critical these are to have. they will sell on their own merit.
now as death row relates to this beatles discussion, there's a major point that has been overlooked. death row is an independent label. suge owns 100% of his publishing, and that means that for every album sold, minus recoup costs (minimal since he owns studio and pr) and distribution (interscope / koch / eagle), alllll of the rest goes into his pockets. ownership of the beatles catalogue is somewhat spread out, but the point here is that whoever is granted rights to death row's material, it's more valuable than standard points on a record simply because for a $15 cd they probably pull in $9, as opposed to most industry standards of less than a dollar. this is very significant.
after reading some other articles on the subject, it's true that this was just a proposition - and likely one by someone who fails to realize how much money death row is truely worth. likewise, it could be a scare tactic to rattle suge up a bit. either way, some random idiot will not get the material - of that i am sure.
chronic and doggystyle sell platinum yearly without marketing gimmicks. they're just essential hip hop albums that are picked up as additional copies or by kids just getting into hip hop and realizing how critical these are to have. they will sell on their own merit.
now as death row relates to this beatles discussion, there's a major point that has been overlooked. death row is an independent label. suge owns 100% of his publishing, and that means that for every album sold, minus recoup costs (minimal since he owns studio and pr) and distribution (interscope / koch / eagle), alllll of the rest goes into his pockets. ownership of the beatles catalogue is somewhat spread out, but the point here is that whoever is granted rights to death row's material, it's more valuable than standard points on a record simply because for a $15 cd they probably pull in $9, as opposed to most industry standards of less than a dollar. this is very significant.
after reading some other articles on the subject, it's true that this was just a proposition - and likely one by someone who fails to realize how much money death row is truely worth. likewise, it could be a scare tactic to rattle suge up a bit. either way, some random idiot will not get the material - of that i am sure.
^^ NUFF SAID....I couldnt explain it properly but Dante did. Respect to him. Point is, deathrow is worth a lot of money period. Again like dante said, highly unlikely some common joe will get anything.
like i said before....
dre will buy dre.
snoop will buy snoop and so forth...
i actually think deathrow should be put into recievership. Suge needs to leave. He is worse then MC hammer. At least gave up on the come back, suge still trying to make tha row big. Give it a rest.
the method would be not picking individual tracks so much as offering a lump grouping of tracks as one auctioned good. it's analagous to when someone doesn't pay their taxes and the irs seizes their prinary asset (usually a house) and auctions it off to meet the owed dollar amount. of course with suge there are so many complications pertaining to dual ownership with relation so pac's music that even if by some crazy turn of events jay-z won all of the tracks he wouldn't be able to release them at will. amaru's judgement in 1998 was a huge one - it explicitly specifies that death row materials must be approved by and the revenue gained from split with amaru. whoever takes on the material still has the same set of rules in place that limited what projects suge could pursue.
...think about it. what has death row done? three 2pac albums since his passing nearly 10 years ago. nu-mixx was just a remix album of already classic tracks, 2pac live (the grey one) was bootlegged by koch after death row dragged their feet on it, and 2pac at the house of blues was only able to be released free and clear of amaru's consent because it was a live show fully funded by suge in every way possible. studio recordings are completely different, and therefore would be next to impossible to release without hitch from amaru.
so what does death row have? well in 1996 they had everything, including tracks pac brought with him from pre-death row. in 2006 do they still have it all? nope. fans often picture a secured vault with a guard watching over it, locked to everyone but suge and maybe kenner. the sad reality is that death row's inventory is in such mad disarray that studio dats and reels are unlocked, and even unlabeled. ever wonder why the clean hit em up version was used on nu-mixx? yeah, the explicit version is lost. match that sad fact with the truth that daz and the realest dubbed several hundred pac songs and the fact that a lot of people at death row felt cheated or treated unfairly, and therefore stole things from it to even the score, and now you have complete chaos. if only you guys knew how a lot of the death row material leaked out... it would blow your mind.
...think about it. what has death row done? three 2pac albums since his passing nearly 10 years ago. nu-mixx was just a remix album of already classic tracks, 2pac live (the grey one) was bootlegged by koch after death row dragged their feet on it, and 2pac at the house of blues was only able to be released free and clear of amaru's consent because it was a live show fully funded by suge in every way possible. studio recordings are completely different, and therefore would be next to impossible to release without hitch from amaru.
so what does death row have? well in 1996 they had everything, including tracks pac brought with him from pre-death row. in 2006 do they still have it all? nope. fans often picture a secured vault with a guard watching over it, locked to everyone but suge and maybe kenner. the sad reality is that death row's inventory is in such mad disarray that studio dats and reels are unlocked, and even unlabeled. ever wonder why the clean hit em up version was used on nu-mixx? yeah, the explicit version is lost. match that sad fact with the truth that daz and the realest dubbed several hundred pac songs and the fact that a lot of people at death row felt cheated or treated unfairly, and therefore stole things from it to even the score, and now you have complete chaos. if only you guys knew how a lot of the death row material leaked out... it would blow your mind.
Suge didn't turn up again. But this court case is likely to run for years and years and Suge knows it.
I also can't see Dre and Snoop buy up their publishing. There isn't much of a point. The layout is going to be huge, the only reason there'd have would be from a sentimental point. It wouldn't be a good business move.
Suge could probably pay out $107 million pretty easy. He doesn't want to, and his legal people have probably given him all the advice he needs to keep pissing off Harrio and Co.
I also can't see Dre and Snoop buy up their publishing. There isn't much of a point. The layout is going to be huge, the only reason there'd have would be from a sentimental point. It wouldn't be a good business move.
Suge could probably pay out $107 million pretty easy. He doesn't want to, and his legal people have probably given him all the advice he needs to keep pissing off Harrio and Co.
